So it's decent, more energy than euphoria. I only do 2-3g at a time, so YMMV. Definitely doesn't hit as hard as the green Borneo. Also got the Golden MD, which is nice. Also great for energy (I have ME and is the main reason I take kratom) but also relaxing. Grabbed some Red Horn, too. Hard to tell what is like, as I've been living off red for the past week due to a KB error. It's been fine when I've had it before, nothing outstanding though. I'm still trying to find a red with a real gouchy k