I remember around 8 years ago I came off subutex with Kratom . Remember using some green meang da from kraatje and was amazed when I went from feeing like death to an opiate glow after chugging down around 6 grams. I stayed on the Kratom for around 4 months and started getting a habit on the Kratom , waking up in the middle of the nite to dose . I came off the Kratom with the help of aroun 15 X 30mg codeine . I took a few codeine in the morning for a few days and then was off completely .