Yeah the reds are very red/dark in colour too, I have a sneaky suspicion that the reds are just the same batch of named whites/greens but fermented, heat treated or in some way oxidised in an attempt to increase 7-hydroxymitragynine. And from what ive read this process decreases the amount of other alkaloids like mitragynine etx and converts some to 7-HO. Just a theory though 💁🏼♂️