I disagree. 8gr of quality red kratom to an opiate naive person will make them high as fuck. I know what you mean, you won't be drunk or especially stupid but still.. I felt pretty damn high the first times (~2 months, then it stopped working really - I only feel it upon wake now, or after a forgotten dose(s)) Agree with you on the addiction part, alot. From personal experience..it really sucks to be addicted to this, i thought it was so beneign. My first quit (3-4months heavy use) I only yaw