You are on the point, same shit quality, like I say before maybe same kratom, just different vendors, but price for their "wild stuff" is complete joke, price is almost like TWK(and his wild collection is light years away from EuK wild Borneo), and for KB, I use them before but after i see some photos of farmes where they dry kratom in the yards of their homes, hygiene 0 points, I don't want put that kratom in my mouth, like I say that was all fine until I try something totally different better