I ordered from Kraatje in NL for a few years, but the quality is has got so bad these days that it simply has no effects anymore. It's a waste of money, so avoid that one. I think I'll also give Kratom bird a try. Or maybe I'll quit all together, I also used kratom to for anxiety relief, but because the quality of kratom is so wildly different each time it's hard to make it work. Sometimes you have a batch that works, but more often than not you get a batch that only makes anxiety worse, and no