https ://discord.gg/EW5TX6KZ come on the discord (remove the space) there is a lot of review for kratombird. it's funny that you don't like yellwo kasung because I read people who swore by it (maybe a different batch). I can't really advise you, I find Indo white nice but it doesn't have a typical white effect, more sedative like a red/green. Are you talking about green maeng da plantation or normal?