If decent quality isn' will work Takes a few days to really feel the effects when the subs are out of your system. I used kratom to get off subs. However, use is sparingly or you will just replace your sub addiction for kratom . And kratom is a not good to be addicted to - having to dose every 4 hours just to feel normal and having to dose half way through sleep at night. If used with caution and as a crutch when needed (I only used it when I had the kids on a weekend or sometimes if had s