U just reminded me a thing that i actually forgot how i loved it :))) just recently i found a really good vendor from germany for nootropics and especially more stronger ones like noopept and phenibut. He has agmatine. Definetly ordering. Agmatine by itself is nice aswell... with kratom - it removes any euphoria for kratom for me.. thats maybe good for tapering or when you quit. But with kratom i didnt like it. Yeah maybe u can get it working "stronger" , but i never looked for "getting smashed"