I quit subs with kratom twice e. First time I ended up.addicted.to.kratom so basically swapped one addiction for another. Was pretty rough as had to dose every 4 hours unlike subs that held.me for a day. If using kratom , use it sparingly and with respect. 2nd time.i only used it around 3 times.a week on occasions when I HAD to function (seeing my kids ) . Krarom takes a lot to get dependent when opiate naive however if using to come.off other opiates , it is very easy to become.physically